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we need to have more of a conversation about how cis women contribute to toxic masculinity tbh
Okay here’s a little more nuance:
First of all, yes, men also perpetuate toxic masculinity. Yes, people of all genders are harmed by toxic masculinity.
But so often I see toxic masculinity framed as an issue created and perpetrated solely by men. I’ve even seen a couple people claim that men can’t complain about how toxic masculinity affects them because “you do this to yourselves”.
Cis women are just as involved in enforcing gender roles as cis men are.
Cishet women often police the gender expression of their boyfriends, as well as any other man they consider a potential boyfriend. I used to know a straight girl who would constantly say things like, “Yeah, he’s cute, but he’s a little fruity. I need a MAN, you know?”
(this is also incredibly homophobic, even though she claimed to be an ally)
I’ve even heard straight women say they’re no longer attracted to a guy once they’ve seen him cry, or show pain, or express any emotion besides anger.
Feel free to add on to this post! I’m sure there are things I’ve missed.
Before I came out, my mum would say a lot of toxically masculine things. Like only ever talk about men in a negative light, equating masculinity to *only* being toxic. Therefore anything she said about men would have this hatred of men but at the same time, reaffirming toxic traits as what she thought made men, men.
Closeted me was very upset by all of this, but sometimes she’d police my expression based on a hypothetical cishet man’s opinion. “Shave or no man will ever like you” - putting my wants and needs beneath this hypothetical cishet man (when I’m a gay trans man myself) and the toxic masculine expectation that people who present as ‘women’ should be shaved and that real masculine men date feminine women. It’s also super homophobic to say that gay men who don’t date women (shaved or not) are not masculine enough. This whole ordeal was immensely misgendering to me and transphobic and very misogynistic on my mums part. I am a man, but I imagine many mothers also say this to their cis children
Toxic masculinity is a tool to control people under patriarchy. And women can wield that tool against others just as horribly as cishet men.
Yeah, that’s very true. It is possible to be a victim of something and to also perpetuate it. I wrote smth on this before but I’m tired. Maybe I’ll look it up in the morning.
There was quite a good bell hooks bit in The Will To Change about how mothers can take out their anger at adult men who’ve wronged them (and patriarchy as a system) on their sons, and/or demand emotional comfort from their sons beyond what’s appropriate for a child to give a parent (this often happens to daughters, too). Which causes the son to develop the sense that he’s been wronged by women for being a man — because he has! — and then this grows into an adult hatred of women. I thought it was a really refreshing look at how age and family are part of the cycles that toxic masculinity is embedded in, and how all participants are victims as well as perpetrators.
Bell Hooks, one of my favorite feminists of all time, wrote about how patriarchy and toxic gender roles are more complex than the “man vs woman” narrative that we see in modern feminism. In her article “Understanding Patriarchy” (https://imaginenoborders.org/pdf/zines/UnderstandingPatriarchy.pdf), she explains how men and women are responsible for holding up patriarchy, that mothers are especially responsible for instilling patriarchal thinking in their children, and men have every aspect of their lives shaped and morphed by living under patriarchy and many don’t notice. Your gender and sex don’t determine if you are on the side of “oppressor” or “oppressed” under patriarchy, that aspect of you only decides how the patriarchy is going to hurt you and in what ways you’ll be encouraged to perpetuate it as you live your life. Everyone is put into a position of harm by the patriarchy, and those who conform to its standards are encouraged to perpetuate the system however is considered “appropriate” for their assigned gender role.
I was introduced to Hook’s work last quarter in my Multicultural Studies class, and it was right around the time that I also began to become interested in building up the concept of transandrophobia. I truly believe that without this reading, I wouldn’t have been so quick to side with my fellow transmascs in trying to create theory and language around our own experiences of oppression. While I disagree with most people on the definitions of transmisogyny and transandrophobia (That’s a different can of worms I might get into when I’m not chronically low on spoons), Hooks’ work has been completely fundamental toward my understanding of gender-based oppression and personal dismantling of gender-essentialist thinking. I believe that people within the community naturally leaning toward her theory is going to greatly advance everything that we’re working for. The brighter days are close.
Here is an excerpt from the beginning of the article:
Patriarchy is the single most life-threatening social disease assaulting the male body and spirit in our nation. Yet most men do not use the word “patriarchy” in everyday life. Most men never think about patriarchy—what it means, how it is created and sustained. Many men in our nation would not be able to spell the word or pronounce it correctly. The word “patriarchy” just is not a part of their normal everyday thought or speech. Men who have heard and know the word usually associate it with women’s liberation, with feminism, and therefore dismiss it as irrelevant to their own experiences. I have been standing at podiums talking about patriarchy for more than thirty years. It is a word I use daily, and men who hear me use it often ask me what I mean by it.
Nothing discounts the old antifeminist projection of men as all powerful more than their basic ignorance of a major facet of the political system that shapes and informs male identity and sense of self from birth until death. I often use the phrase “imperialist white-supremacist capitalist patriarchy” to describe the interlocking political systems that are the foundation of our nation’s politics. Of these systems the one that we all learn the most about growing up is the system of patriarchy, even if we never know the word, because patriarchal gender roles are assigned to us as children and we are given continual guidance about the ways we can best fulfill these roles.
These ideas have been buried and practically erased from modern feminism because of the severe gender essentialist thinking that plagues any conversation surrounding struggles relating to gender-based oppression. We can’t dismantle patriarchy, sexism, toxic masculinity, toxic femininity, transphobia, exorsexism, transmisogny, transandrophobia, intersexism, gender essentialism, or any other kind of gender-based oppression if we aren’t willing to acknowledge the full picture. We cannot win without being intersectional.
Bell Hooks passed on December 15, 2021. Her presence will be missed and her contribution to intersectional feminism and activism is invaluable. I wish people like her were the face of modern feminist thinking, because things would be a lot better that way.